November 2007

* Zastrow in Colorado to Train Us for Petitioning: The Chairman of Michigan Citizen's for Life, Cal Zastrow, talks in studio with Bob Enyart encouraging all of us Colorado Christians and teaching us how to get started collecting signatures for our Personhood Amendment ballot!

* Creation Research Society: provides evidence against the Big Bang from a lack of stars and even starlight from Population III stars which are supposedly the first generation of stars after the Big Bang which by BB cosmology would have had almost no elements heavier than hydrogen and helium. Also, the snapping shrimp possess an amazing function to obtain food, it creates a cavity bubble underwater which collapses with such force that it produces a cracking sound of about 200 decibels, a tiny flash of light, and enough shock to stun or even kill its prey such as worms and goby fish.

* Leader on Preview of ARTL Site: Eve Silver, ABC Link researcher formerly with the Komen Foundation, wrote about her preview of the under construction American Right To Life website:
I LOVE THE SITE!!!!! "The Personhood Wing of the Pro-Life Movement" Ohhh! It's so cool I can hardly stand it!! :) The tabs are terrific: Home, Who We Are, Who They Are (AWESOME!!) Principles, etc. ... Colors are great; eye-popping layout! :)  Great list of Pro-Life heavies ... hey! WHERE'S MY NAME??!   :) I LOVE it! :) Bob, National RTL has been weak for years! I hope their real pro-lifers will jump their ship now! I am so excited about ARTL!! For my money COLORADO RIGHT TO LIFE ROCKS THE CRADLE!!!! :) and AMERICAN RIGHT TO LIFE will RULE!!! :)

Eve, thanks so much! Until now, I didn't realize adrenaline could be sent via email :)
-Bob Enyart

* What are Your Top Issues: Do your top issues make God's top ten list? Notice that the whole country becomes obsessed with the top issues covered here at BEL at times of greatest import.

* If You are Excited About American RTL: and would like to help us raise $100,000 toward its success, please call 303 463-7789 and ask for their Large Gifts Coordinator, Brian Enyart, and between us, we'll give ARTL the launch it needs to fight to end child killing in America!

* Post-Show Notes: Reminders of recent KGOV reports on Pat Robertson and on Bob's quote on Denver's CBS 4 News.

Denver Public Schools' Plan B: reported Oct 30 by Denver's CBS4 A task force is recommending some school health clinics in Denver Public Schools give out contraceptives [including Plan B] and the district is looking over the recommendations. If adopted, contraceptives could be distributed at any of the six in-school health centers... Groups like Colorado Right to Life strongly oppose the plan saying it sends the wrong message to kids. "A Denver public school is a good place to send your daughter to become sexually active," Bob Enyart with Colorado Right to Life said. "Now the task force wants to make it more efficient. Condoms for the boys, abortion pills for your daughter, get her ready for the next guy to use her; it's called Godless education."

Pat Robertson Aborts Brain: discussed on CNN's Wolf Blitzer Reports on Dec. 16, 2001 China's forced abortion and their outlawing of brothers and sisters. "I don't agree with it," Robertson said, "but at the same time they've got 1.2 billion people, and they don't know what to do. ... I think that right now, they're doing what they have to do.  I don't agree with forced abortion, but I don't think the United States needs to interfere with what they're doing internally in this regard." Denver Bible Church pastor Bob Enyart says to Pat Robertson, "Christians should not defend mass murderers. The Chinese need us to bring them liberty and Christianity, not to defend the slaughter of their children. It's bizarre that Pat Robertson says he's against abortion, except where it's forced, then he's for it. Moral relativism has brought the ‘pro-life' Republican movement into a post-Christian era.

* Bob excerpts Time & the LA Times: the Los Angeles Times today, and Time magazine on Wednesday, wrote about the rift in the pro-life movement between the child-killing regulators and the personhood wing! Join Bob as he discusses these articles. Here's what has happened:

Time Magazine Announces... : On Wednesday, November 21, 2007, Time Magazine announced on their Time.com website the launch of American Right To Life! A week after the invitation-only Pro-life Leaders Summit which was hosted in Denver by Colorado Right to Life, Time Magazine reports as the top story in their website's U.S. section, complete with a beautiful image of an implanted embryo, the following:
* Colorado's personhood amendment effort
* The pro-life movement's rift over regulating child-killing vs. promoting personhood
* National Right To Life's decades-long refusal to support personhood efforts
* CRTL's getting kicked out of NRTL
* A pro-life coalition's full-page ads in national papers admonishing Dr. Dobson for compromise
* The PBA ruling actually keeps partial-birth abortion legal (with slight modifications)
* The launch of a new national organization called American Right To Life
* That Brian Rohrbough will head up American RTL
* That Rohrbough is the dad whose son Daniel was murdered at Columbine high school, who has been an outspoken critic of the American "culture of death."

Time also reported two of our personhood arguments:

* "Colorado Right to Life spokesman Bob Enyart says, 'Embryos are living human beings with eternal souls and spirits. You just have to refrain from killing one to see what a precious child it is.' "
* "Enyart, who is also a Denver Christian radio talk show personality, holds up the Snowflake Baby Movement as an alternative: Don't kill any embryos; instead, encourage people to adopt them. About 100 frozen embryos have already been adopted in the U.S., says Enyart, who routinely steers his listeners to the snowflake website..."

You may want to check out the beautiful snowflake kids in the photo album, to see the face of Colorado's effort to protect these little people from the moment of fertilization!

So with the encouragement of many pro-life leaders who represented organizations in a dozen U.S. states, Brian Rohrbough and other pro-life leaders, including the former chairman of Colorado's Republican Party, Steve Curtis, are getting ready to launch American RTL to fill the leadership and morality vacuum created when National RTL adopted situational ethics and a secular humanist strategy of regulating child killing. Ever since then, the pro-life industry has misled the greater Christian community into moral relativism. The founders of American RTL pray that they will be true to God's enduring command, Do not murder; and that the renewed pro-life vision breaking out nationwide, of a return to a Judeo-Christian biblically-based strategy, will lead soon to the end of the legalized killing of children in America! Praise God! You can read this Time Magazine article online!

Also, today the LA Times quotes Brian Rohrbough and other summit attendees in an article on personhood efforts:

"'The concept that we're going to elect judges who will change everything has failed,' said Brian Rohrbough, a former president of Colorado Right to Life. 'The logical thing is to start with personhood. . . . It's the only legitimate tactic that does not involve a compromise.' ... ... In 1967 [Colorado] became the first state to legalize abortion in certain cases... 'Colorado opened this evil door,' Rohrbough said, 'and there are many in Colorado who would like to close it.' To Rohrbough, the initiative has additional import. A lifelong opponent of abortion, he took up the cause publicly after his son, Daniel, was killed in the 1999 shooting at Columbine High School in Colorado. 'The environment that happened at Columbine was created by a culture of death,' he said. ... They're also optimistic in Colorado, where the campaign to collect signatures kicked off last week with a rally headlined by Alan Keyes, a Republican presidential candidate."

You can read the full LA Times article online or see the relevant excerpts below, including great quotes from Cal Zastrow and a mention of Alan Keyes, "They're also optimistic in Colorado, where the campaign to collect signatures kicked off last week with a rally headlined by Alan Keyes, a Republican presidential candidate."

Initially, American Right to Life will be headed up by Brian Rohrbough, with Steve Curtis as second in command.

* Brian Enyart helps launch ARTL : Until ARTL hires a fund-raising firm, Brian Enyart, Bob's successful brother who just recently moved to Denver, has begun raising funds for ARTL from a handful of businessmen, asking for donations of between $5,000 and $10,000 so that this new national organization can hit the ground running. (None of the directors, officers, or spokesmen of ARTL will receive a salary, and Lord-willing, donations will have an especially strong effect on the battle to outlaw child-killing!) You can be among the first to donate to ARTL! If you would like to help Brian Enyart in his effort to get ARTL going strong, by making a large donation to ARTL's 501(c)3, 501(c)4, or to a political 527 group called American RTL Action, feel free to call BEL at 303 463-7789 and Brian will return your call!

* Time Magazine Announces...: Post-Show Note: Time Magazine today announces the launch of American Right To Life! A week after the invitation-only Pro-life Leaders Summit which was hosted in Denver by Colorado Right to Life, Time Magazine reports as the top story in their website's U.S. section, complete with a beautiful image of an implanted embryo: Colorado's personhood amendment effort; the pro-life movement's rift over regulating child-killing vs. promoting personhood; National Right To Life's decades-long refusal to support personhood efforts; CRTL's getting kicked out of NRTL; the coalition of pro-lifers placing full-page newspaper ads in national newspapers admonishing Dr. James Dobson's compromise; the PBA ruling that actually keeps partial-birth abortion legal (with slight modifications); the launch of a new national organization called American Right To Life; that Brian Rohrbough will head up American RTL, the dad whose son Daniel was murdered at Columbine high school, who has been an outspoken critic of the American "culture of death."

Time Magazine's Rita Healy reports two of Bob Enyart's personhood arguments: "Colorado Right to Life spokesman Bob Enyart says, ‘Embryos are living human beings with eternal souls and spirits. You just have to refrain from killing one to see what a precious child it is.' " And secondly, "Enyart, who is also a Denver Christian radio talk show personality, holds up the Snowflake Baby Movement as an alternative: Don't kill any embryos; instead, encourage people to adopt them. About 100 frozen embryos have already been adopted in the U.S., says Enyart, who routinely steers his listeners to the snowflake website..." And check out the beautiful snowflake kids in their photo album, to see the face of Colorado's effort to protect these little people from the moment of fertilization!

With the encouragement of thirty pro-life leaders representing organizations in a dozen U.S. states, Brian Rohrbough and other pro-life leaders, including the former chairman of Colorado's Republican Party, Steve Curtis, are launching American RTL to fill the leadership and morality vacuum created when National RTL adopted situational ethics and a secular humanist strategy of regulating child killing. Ever since then, the pro-life industry has misled the greater Christian community into moral relativism. The founders of American RTL pray that they will be true to God's enduring command, Do not murder; and that the renewed pro-life vision breaking out nationwide, of a return to a Judeo-Christian biblically-based strategy, will lead soon to the end of the legalized killing of children in America! Praise God! You can read this Time Magazine article online!

* Biology 101 Lesson: Bob reminds pro-aborts about simple genetic facts regarding their biased claim that Christians are trying to give rights to eggs.

* Eric from Texas: gave a praise report regarding support from others in his effort in Killeen to oppose abortion at their local child-killing facility. If you live in Texas and would like to touch base with Eric, please post a note in the thread created at the BEL Forum on TOL for this particular BEL show. [search the forum for a thread titled "Looking Forward to BEL Tomorrow"]

* The Death Penalty & Abortion Link: Many U.S. allies and some of our enemies abolished the death penalty in the years preceding their legalization of abortion. Since God gave the death penalty in order to defend the sanctity of life (Genesis 9:6), this historic pattern is not unexpected. For example, among our allies:

Britain's last execution was in 1964 and legalized abortion in 1967.
Canada's last execution was in 1962 and legalized abortion in 1988.
Greece' last execution was in 1978 and legalized abortion in 1986.
Israel outlawed execution in 1954 and legalized abortion in 1977.
Spain's last execution was in 1975 and legalized abortion in 1985.
Sweden's last execution was in 1910 and legalized abortion in 1938.

America's Supreme Court, although they reinstated the death penalty in 1976, previously had commuted all existing death sentences, in 1972, for 629 murderers on death row; and in January of 1973, the same court legalized abortion nationwide.

Our longstanding enemy of the 20th century, the Soviet Union, outlawed the death penalty in 1917 shortly after their October Revolution, and legalized abortion in 1920.

Finally, Bob discusses the tendency of the wicked to advocate killing the innocent and protecting the guilty; the conscience God put in them; and the purpose of Christ's crucifixion.

* Time Magazine Announces...: Time Magazine today announces the launch of American Right To Life! A week after the invitation-only Pro-life Leaders Summit which was hosted in Denver by Colorado Right to Life, Time Magazine reports as the top story in their website's U.S. section, complete with a beautiful image of an implanted embryo: Colorado's personhood amendment effort; the pro-life movement's rift over regulating child-killing vs. promoting personhood; National Right To Life's decades-long refusal to support personhood efforts; CRTL's getting kicked out of NRTL; the coalition of pro-lifers placing full-page newspaper ads in national newspapers admonishing Dr. James Dobson's compromise; the PBA ruling that actually keeps partial-birth abortion legal (with slight modifications); the launch of a new national organization called American Right To Life; that Brian Rohrbough will head up American RTL, the dad whose son Daniel was murdered at Columbine high school, who has been an outspoken critic of the American "culture of death."

Time Magazine's Rita Healy reports two of Bob Enyart's personhood arguments: "Colorado Right to Life spokesman Bob Enyart says, ‘Embryos are living human beings with eternal souls and spirits. You just have to refrain from killing one to see what a precious child it is.' " And secondly, "Enyart, who is also a Denver Christian radio talk show personality, holds up the Snowflake Baby Movement as an alternative: Don't kill any embryos; instead, encourage people to adopt them. About 100 frozen embryos have already been adopted in the U.S., says Enyart, who routinely steers his listeners to the snowflake website..." And check out the beautiful snowflake kids in their photo album, to see the face of Colorado's effort to protect these little people from the moment of fertilization!

With the encouragement of thirty pro-life leaders representing organizations in a dozen U.S. states, Brian Rohrbough and other pro-life leaders, including the former chairman of Colorado's Republican Party, Steve Curtis, are launching American RTL to fill the leadership and morality vacuum created when National RTL adopted situational ethics and a secular humanist strategy of regulating child killing. Ever since then, the pro-life industry has mislead the greater Christian community into moral relativism. The founders of American RTL pray that they will be true to God's enduring command, Do not murder; and that the renewed pro-life vision breaking out nationwide, of a return to a Judeo-Christian biblically-based strategy, will lead soon to the end of the legalized killing of children in America! Praise God! You can read this Time Magazine article online!

* Biology 101 Lesson: Bob reminds pro-aborts about simple genetic facts regarding their biased claim that Christians are trying to give rights to eggs.

* Eric from Texas: gave a praise report regarding support from others in his effort in Killeen to oppose abortion at their local child-killing facility. If you live in Texas and would like to touch base with Eric, please post a note in the thread created at the BEL Forum on TOL for this particular BEL show. [search the forum for a thread titled "Time Magazine just announced"]

* The Death Penalty & Abortion Link: Many U.S. allies and some of our enemies abolished the death penalty in the years preceding their legalization of abortion. Since God gave the death penalty in order to defend the sanctity of life (Genesis 9:6), this historic pattern is not unexpected. For example, among our allies:

Britain's last execution was in 1964 and legalized abortion in 1967.
Canada's last execution was in 1962 and legalized abortion in 1988.
Greece' last execution was in 1978 and legalized abortion in 1986.
Israel outlawed execution in 1954 and legalized abortion in 1977.
Spain's last execution was in 1975 and legalized abortion in 1985.
Sweden's last execution was in 1910 and legalized abortion in 1938.

America's Supreme Court, although they reinstated the death penalty in 1976, previously had commuted all existing death sentences, in 1972, for 629 murderers on death row; and in January of 1973, the same court legalized abortion nationwide.

Our longstanding enemy of the 20th century, the Soviet Union, outlawed the death penalty in 1917 shortly after their October Revolution, and legalized abortion in 1920.

Finally, Bob discusses the tendency of the wicked to advocate killing the innocent and protecting the guilty; the conscience God put in them; and the purpose of Christ's crucifixion.

* DBC Thanksgiving Sermon: Bob preached a sermon on Sunday, which we've scheduled to air tomorrow on KGOV, titled Give Me that Old Thyme Religion, on the history of Thanksgiving and its connection to the theology of Denver Bible Church, and to the theology in The Plot manuscript (and in The Plot CD Set). The connection comes through the religious persecution symbolized by the imprisonment of John Bunyan, his bestselling Pilgrim's Progress, second in sales only to the Holy Bible for centuries, and the similar theological foundational positions as taught here at KGOV.com! (KGOV: Moving the world to the right...).

* Reprogramming and Dedifferentiation: the latest genetic advances may make embryonic stem cell research a thing of the past. By injecting a few regulatory genes, scientists have been able to coax skin cells to revert to highly reprogrammable stem cells! Cloning is so 1900s, that hopefully, this advance will spare unborn children from violent research and harvesting.

* Bella is Doing Great!: If you liked it, please give it an A+ rating at Yahoo!

* See Photos from our Protest BBQ: you'll want to see the photos in Jill Stanek's report on the barbeque so many of us enjoyed Sunday in front of the home of Bill Hornaday, a construction executive with the Weitz construction firm that is building Planned Parenthood's abortion mill in Denver.

* Vic from Thornton: asks Bob to explain the Colorado personhood amendment process. As petitions are being printed in mass, the will be distributed through various channels including Colorado RTL, churches, and especially Colorado for Equal Rights!

* Pro-abortion Lance from Arizona: makes the following argument via email: "Bob Pleeeeeease! A pregnant woman can't add the unborn to her employer's health benefit plan." When people adopt immoral views, they struggle in vain to find reasonable arguments for their positions. If this argument were true, then if Germany disallowed employee benefits for Jews, Lance would conclude that it should be legal to kill Jews. And if America disallowed benefits (like learning to read, as some of our laws actually did prohibit), then Lance would conclude that it should be legal to kill blacks. Denial of God turns one into a fool (Psalm 14:1).

* Google The Weitz Company: or search for one of their senior executives, like Gary Megisson, and see that nine out of ten sites on the first page link him to the building of a modern day Auschwitz, including GoodJesuitBadJesuit, KGOV, JillStanek, CovenantNews, OperationRescue/OperationSaveAmerica, CatholicNewsAgency, etc. Also, make sure to check out TheWeitzCompany.com!

* Make sure to check out: TheWeitzCompany.com

* Drudge on Colorado Personhood: Matt Drudge linked to this AP report on Colorado's petition drive. By his immense popularity with the media, Drudge linking to that article helps pro-lifers cross another threshold toward the goal of getting this personhood project into the mind of the public, since a listing on Drudge guarantees that most U.S. journalists now know of Colorado's amendment drive! When critics mockingly characterize a personhood effort as "rights for human eggs," we can remind them about basic biology, that an egg has half of the genetic material of a living human being, and that pro-lifers advocate for the God-given right to life of genetically unique, living human beings!

* Colorado Right To Life: announced today that it received a major grant of tens of thousands of dollars to help educate the public on the God-given right to life of every unborn child! A foundation wishing to remain anonymous gave the generous gift! Please consider donating to Colorado Right To Life online or by calling 303 753-9394!

* The World's Leading Cloning Scientist: England's Professor Ian Wilmut, has announced that he will not pursue the cloning of human embryos, but will instead use adult stem cell technology, which not only appears more promising for fighting disease, but also avoids the condemnation and opposition of those who oppose killing living human beings for research.

* Keep PP Out: Dec. 1st Rally: Come join the renowned leader Joe Scheidler in Denver at a rally to Keep Planned Parenthood Out, in opposition to the building of the largest abortion facility in the country! Also, join many of Colorado's pro-life leaders there including many from Colorado Right To Life!

* Bella is Doing Great!: If you liked it, please give it a good rating at the Internet Movie Database!

* No Right to Anonymity: apparently quoting Bob Enyart from the last sixteen years on air, Donald Kerr, America's deputy director of national intelligence, said privacy no longer can mean anonymity. As Bob has said for years, "There is no right to anonymity. Remember the signers who risked their fortunes and their lives by putting their real names on America's Declaration of Independence. So, get a grip, take courage, and stop whining!"

* A Denver Pastor Ordered 50 Copies: minutes before airtime, a Denver pastor of a congregation of 200 believers ordered 50 copies of BEL's Focus on the Strategy II to distribute throughout his church! The NRTL-affiliated child-killing regulators are on the defensive as the personhood wing of the movement marches on! Praise God! Also today, a leading Christian journalist committed to watch and possibly report on the phenomena of Focus II!

* Listen to Another Denver Subcontractor: Rocky Mountain Mechanical Systems, apparently mislead by Planned Parenthood's general contractor, The Weitz Company, said, "We didn't know that going into it," regarding their role in helping to build an abortion clinic in which Planned Parenthood is scheduled to kill their first child just in time for the Democratic National Convention to be held in Denver.

* CPC Board Member Supports Personhood Wing: Mark English, a board member of a crisis pregnancy center in the Rocky Mountains, called to thank Bob Enyart and Colorado Right To Life for their personhood fight against the child-killing regulators, and gave a stunning account of Denver's Rose Medical Center sixteen years ago advising them to kill their handicapped newborn daughter by starving her to death. Mark also graciously recommended The Plot, and said he had underlined so much of Bob's best-selling Bible overview that when it came time to just re-read the highlights, he decided to re-read the entire book!

* Hear a Deceived Weitz Subcontractor: the Weitz Corporation told the Denver media that they have been up front, telling their workers that they are building an abortion clinic . However, as reported by WorldNetDaily and elsewhere, the Denver permits for this Weitz construction project were fraudulently filed in the name of United Airlines (of all things!), and hear this contractor's employee claiming that her company is working on a Flight Training facility (of all things!).

* Another Ethiopian Is Alive: an Ethiopian woman who was stopped from killing her baby a year ago, helped talk another Ethiopian woman today out of aborting her child! Jo Scott of Pro Life Colorado, while sidewalk counseling at Denver's 20th and Vine Planned Parenthood abortion mill was talking on the phone talking to the mom of an Ethiopian "save" from 2006 when Jo recognized that a woman heading into Planned Parenthood was also an Ethiopian. Jo handed the phone to the woman, and last year's mom helped to talk today's mom out of killing her child! Praise God for another Ethiopian baby alive today!

* Pat Robertson Endorses Mass Murderer: Old guard "pro-life" founder of the Christian Coalition, the Rev. Pat Robertson, today endorsed radically pro-homosexual child-killer Rudi Giuliani.

* Robertson Defends Forced Abortion: Pat Robertson discussed on CNN's Wolf Blitzer Reports on Dec. 16, 2001 China's forced abortion and their outlawing of brothers and sisters. "I don't agree with it," Robertson said, "but at the same time they've got 1.2 billion people, and they don't know what to do. ... I think that right now, they're doing what they have to do.  I don't agree with forced abortion, but I don't think the United States needs to interfere with what they're doing internally in this regard." Denver Bible Church pastor Bob Enyart says to Pat Robertson, "Christians should not defend mass murderers. The Chinese need us to bring them liberty and Christianity, not to defend the slaughter of their children. It's bizarre that Pat Robertson says he's against abortion, except where it's forced, then he's for it. Moral relativism has brought the ‘pro-life' Republican movement into a post-Christian era.

* Finland's Columbine also for Natural Selection: An 18-year-old atheist murdered seven fellow students and the high school principal before killing himself. The murderer wrote "It's time to put NATURAL SELECTION & SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST back on track," with the capitalization in the original. The producer for Ben Stein's new movie, Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed, has interviewed Columbine dad Brian Rohrbough and we will find out in February if the film exposes this murderous side effect of evolution. Denver's Rocky Mountain News reported in 1999 on page one that the autopsy of one of the Columbine murders revealed he wore a shirt during the crime that said, "Natural Selection," and they followed that with the claim that the newspaper had no idea what that phrase referred to, but they guessed it might be perhaps a music group or video game. Right.

* Former Chair of the Colo. Repub. Party: Steve Curtis and Bob described Pat Robertson and other Christian Coalition type leaders as being post-Christian. Steve co-founded LifeCommercials.com!

October 2007

* Correction: Bob unintentionally exaggerated the claimed Clinton willingness to support the PBA ban. See the full correction below.

* Christian Leader Koukl Supports Giuliani: Stu Epperson moderates the debate between Bob Enyart and STR.org's Greg Koukl on Stu's syndicated TruthTalkLive.com talk show. In the debate, Koukl denies that Giuliani is a mass murderer and denied parallel between his position and the Herodians of the New Testament.

*Bob's Notes Against Christian Support for Giuliani: Christians should not support mass murderers. Rudi Giuliani is a mass murderer who as a governing official and candidate promotes child killing through public hospitals, tax funding, police enforcement, etc.

Moral relativist Christians would oppose a candidate who was caught embezzling funds (not because it violates God's command, Do not steal, but because it is politically-incorrect). And while they'd not support a Republican caught embezzling, they support Republican candidates who brag of their support for killing children.

The Gospels mention a pragmatic political party, the Herodians, the religious leaders who allied themselves with Herod Antipas, thinking that the Herodian dynasty was the lesser evil (than any alternative allegiance, with a choice between Herod or Christ, they would choose Herod), thinking the Herods were the best the Jewish worshippers could pragmatically expect in their hopes of attaining to their kingdom on Earth. (I have this understanding of the Herodians from my recollection of reading, way back in the 1970s, Alfred Edershiem's Life & Times of Jesus the Messiah, a classic written in the 1800s.)

Like Rudi Giuliani, Herod was personally sexually immoral and murderous. Greg Koukl's moral relativism would defend supporting Herod. But John the Baptist, instead of joining the Herodians, rebuked Herod, and for his courage, this wicked ruler beheaded the man whom Jesus described as the greatest born to women (Mat. 11:11). But how would Jesus describe Koukl? Greg's moral relativism might have led him to campaign for Herod (as he does for Giuliani), and instead of persecution, Herod might have hired Koukl as an apologist for his murderous reign and his hopes for the continued support of Ceasar after Antipas built Tiberias (Koukl: yes, Herod murdered John the Baptist, but I would still campaign for him to rule).

Greg Koukl is imitating the pragmatic religious leaders, the Herodians.

Mat 22:16, 18 ...the Herodians, [said], "Teacher, we know that You are true, and teach the way of God in truth [lip service]... But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, "Why do you test Me, you hypocrites?" [also at Mark 12:13]

Mark 3:5-6   [Jesus saw] the hardness of their hearts, [and] the Herodians [plotted] against Him, how they might destroy Him.

"You shall not murder" (Rom. 13:9) "Do not kill the innocent" (Exodus 23:7)

Romans 3:8 mentions "do[ing] evil that good may come of it" (Romans 3:8), Paul considered it slander to be accused of something Christians now embrace, doing evil, that good may come of it.

"we must obey God rather than men" (Acts 5:29)

Giuliani is not only radically pro-abortion, but for years even supported the especially horrific partial-birth abortion. Giuliani is radically pro-homosexual, and would ban all handguns.

New York Daily News, March 8, 2004  Rudy Giuliani came out yesterday against President Bush's call for a ban on gay marriage. ... "I certainly wouldn't support [a ban] at this time," added Giuliani, who lived with a gay Manhattan couple when he moved out of Gracie Mansion during his nasty divorce.

Secular humanists who support Giuliani: Sean Hannity, Hugh Hewitt, Michael Medved, etc.

Publicans: tax collectors, public building contractors, and military suppliers.
The New Testament condemns the publicans, so Christians now sell their souls for the Re-publicans.

The theme of much of the Old Testament, from the books of Moses, through Joshua & Judges, through the prophets, is that God's people did not trust Him, nor obey Him, not with national politics, and instead made alliances with wicked leaders, and so God abandoned them to their own destruction.

* Comments at TruthTalkLive.com:

Carl: where does Koukl draw the line? ... at 100,000,000? What line must be crossed that will turn Christians from supporting wickedness and back to God?

Dave: Koukl thinks that Scalia, Thomas, Roberts and Alito would fight for the Personhood of a child. I guess he did not read the Supreme Court decision of Gonzales v. Carhart.

John quotes Reagan: "Politics I supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first."

Gus B: Mr. Koukl says Giuliani will appoint justices like Thomas and Scalia. Pastor Enyart points out these two do not believe in personhood... to which Koukl says, "Pro-Life Justices are not relevant to this topic."

Andrew: To support the better of two murderers is relative. ... Webster should post your photograph next to "moral relativist."

* Give your opinion at TruthTalkLive.com.

* Correction: I need to clarify a comment I made debating Greg Koukl. I unintentionally exaggerated when I stated that Hillary supported the PBA ban. I was taking this position from the years of public position the Clinton administration maintained regarding the PBA ban. When Hillary and Bill came to Colorado in 1999 and spoke as a couple to Columbine parents, Brian Rohrbough told Bill, "Mr. President, when you vetoed the PBA ban, you became responsible for murder far more violent than what happened to our children." Clinton replied, with Hillary at his side, that he would have signed the bill, but it did not have an exception for the life of the mother. To the extent that they were a two-for-one deal in the White House, I had always assumed that was her position also: willing to support the law, as long as it had exceptions (sounds Republican to me). At any rate, it was wrong to say outright, that Hillary supported the ban. I should have clarified, and in the intensity of the debate, I did not realize I had mistated her position. Also, I kept wanting to talk about Rudy's pro-abortion actions as NYC mayor, but never got that in. I've also posted this correction at Stu Epperson's TruthTalkLive blog. Thanks, -Bob Enyart

* Pro-lifers Meet with Abortion Contractor: Denver pro-lifers met today with Bill Hornaday, president of The Weitz Corporation's  Rocky Mountain Division. Hornaday told Keith Mason and Will Duffy in a private meeting this morning that they refuse to reconsider constructing a building designed to rip the arms and legs off of little children. Bill Hornaday can be reached at bill.hornaday@weitz.com. More below...

* UPDATE: Post-show Emergency Note: Late-term abortion re-scheduled for 3:30 p.m. KGOV.com has information of a specific late-term abortion being committed Thursday afternoon, Oct. 25 at the Health One Sky Ridge Medical Center south of the Denver metro area. You can call any of the following numbers to plead for the life of this handicapped (deformed) 24-week baby scheduled to be killed:
Surgery Waiting Room: 720-225-1630
Labor and Delivery: 720-225-2300
Patient Advocate: 720-225-1285
Chaplain: 720-225-1778
Main Switchboard: 720-225-1000
Administration: 720-225-1010

Late Wednesday evening, a KGOV producer reached Sky Ridge public relations director Linda Watson who would not confirm the scheduling killing of this child, nor could she immediately state whether Health One's policy would protect such a child from being intentionally killed in their facility. Ms. Watson agreed to call with more information when she could obtain it.

If you are reading this past the time Health One has scheduled to kill this child, then it is too late to save this one. But you can still call and beg this Health One hospital that delivers so many babies to stop killing those they deem better off dead. Thank you, -Bob Enyart

* Gary Meggison, Senior Vice-President of the Weitz Co Rocky Mountain, also at the meeting, revealed an obvious disdain for women and children, by refusing to view documents of Planned Parenthood’s reported child rape cover-ups and the facts of their multi-million dollar baby killing business. Gary Meggison can be reached at gary.meggison@weitz.com

* Don Gendall, Vice-President of the Weitz Co Rocky Mountain, was not present at the meeting, but spoke with Keep Peace In Stapleton, and admitted to being a Christian, yet still willing to build a death camp for unborn children. Don Gendall can be reached at don.gendall@weitz.com

* Craig Damos, CEO of the Weitz Company, resides in Des Moines, IA. Craig Damos' wife Sue was kindly asked to encourage her husband to reconsider building this abortion clinic and her response was a shock! Sue Damos said that Planned Parenthood does not do abortions. You can hear that call here. Craig Damos can be reached at craig.damos@weitz.com

* Keith Mason of Keep Peace In Stapleton cohosted todays show with Jo Scott of Pro-Life Colorado, to urge The Weitz Company not to build the largest abortion facility in America. The Weitz Co has received the contract to build a 50,000 sq. ft. Planned Parenthood in a minority neighborhood in Denver, Colorado.

* Kim Lehman, president of Iowa Right to Life, has organized a prayerful protest outside the Weitz headquartes in Des Moines, IA. If you live in Iowa and can join IRLC, please contact Kim at 515-202-2517.

* Log on to KeepPeaceInStapleton.com and join the coalition to stop the construction of the largest child killing facility to date in this country. The unborn need your help!

* Santa Clarita's Randy Hayes reports: on the fire that came up to the cul-de-sac off his front yard, and agreed that such fires are not divine judgments, nor signs of the end times, nor any superstitious portent, but the real risk factors include high winds and low humidity. But Enyart and Hayes did agree that ultimately, Al Gore is to blame for the fires, being a liar, and doing all he can with his travel and mansion to pump carbon dioxide into the air to heat up global warming.

* Three Callers: Gordon from Littleton described his first ever abortion protest on Sunday at the home of a Weitz Corporation executive as peaceful, prayerful, encouraging, and a wonderful contrast to typical ugly liberal protests. Calvin from Aurora made a point from the prophet Jeremiah that we should glory in knowing God. And a different Randy, from Denver, went to the local Planned Parenthood for a protest and was saddened (but apparently motivated nonetheless) by the small number of people there!